Halal Certification – Why should Non- Muslims have to accept and pay for it?
Posted on December 10th, 2012
shenali waduge
Natives of non-Muslim nations are asking one simple question ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” why have their Governments accepted an unfair trade practice of insisting food, pharmaceuticals and other products used by consumers have to be halal certified for which a fee is charged and for which the consumers end up having to pay for nothing related to their religion or culture.
Today non ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” Muslims i.e. Buddhists, Hindus, Christians are increasingly asking why a religious practice that was solely confined only to Muslims for so long in the past is now being forced on non ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” Muslim nations.
Muslims who quote the QuƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢-¾‚¢ran which says ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ”¹…”Let there be no compulsion in religionƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢-¾‚¢ (Surah 2: 256), is following the exact opposite.
ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ”¹…”HalalƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢-¾‚¢ is a Muslim practice since sixth century A.D. but the insistence of its implementation in non-Muslim nations especially on food, pharmaceuticals and other products is causing strong reactions and calls for ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ…-boycott HalalƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ”š‚ even in Sri Lanka. Shop owners in Sri Lanka have been threatened that Muslims would boycott their shops if halal certification is not obtained. In a country with over 70% Buddhists what if they start to boycott Muslim shops? Such threats will cause unnecessary tensions and Muslims should desist from these unwarranted calls insisting non-Muslims adopt halal certification. It is raising questions of violating the self-respect of and dignity of the other communities.
It is the duty of a Government to standards products and award necessary certification and not private bodies most of which are established as religious charities and end up not paying taxes. Religious bodies cannot decide for other communities what is edible and what is not through a common labeling system that is based only on their religious principles and practices.
How can shop keepers and vendors or super markets for that matter agree to become halal compliant without obtaining the prior consent of the non-Muslim consumer?
ƒÆ’-¡ƒ”š‚ Most eating houses, restaurants never fail to display ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ…-halal certified, no porkƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ”š‚ boards. Whilst the cow is a sacred animal for both Buddhist and Hindus, how can it be acceptable to eat beef but not pork? Why is it that only the religious preferences of just one ethnic community decides for the rest of the population when that population is over 70%?
Without a doubt halal certification is creating tensions not only in Sri Lanka but globally as well. Political leaders, state officials need to wake up to the growing dissatisfaction amongst non-Muslims made worse by the manner the halal certification is forced to be implemented, for which consumers have to pay when they are already burdened with so many other taxes.
Politicians need to seriously take stock of the situation and address it without watching Sri Lanka take the path that Europe has taken where it is projected that the entire continent will become Islamized.
Halal certification ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” what it means in practice
Halal certification is a growing fad that is taking over the non-Muslim world forcing every food, pharmaceutical and other products to obtain halal certification which comes with a price tag that ends up at the doorstep of the consumer who despite being a non-Muslim ends up footing the surcharge for something he/she did not ask for or does not wish for. How moral or ethical is it for Muslims who live in non-Muslim nations to insist that their religious rituals and practiced must be legally enforced and paid for? Given the health and purity factor in arguing the usefulness of halal certification it behoves non-Muslim nations to declare that halal certification will be adopted but not at a price and certainly not have to be borne by the non-Muslim consumer. This is the only way the damage done can be absolved.
These concerns are nothing new to Sri Lanka alone and a growing number of people globally are voicing their dissatisfaction to their governments though most politicians have become prey to the economics of trade where countries are dependent on an import-export trade agenda.
In South Africa, Halal food trade is becoming a growing concern for the 51m South Africans amongst whom Muslims make up just 2% – 1million with 4 Halal certifying companies active in South Africa as well as several others. These halal certifying companies make millions annually for issuing certification for food, cosmetics and other products and these certifications do not come cheap and for every halal mark an indirect halal surcharge is taxed.
The global halal products market is estimated to be US$2.3trilion and not limited to only food.
If Halal trade is an Islamic trade system operating on the principles and regulations of the religion of Islam in principle it benefits only Muslims and therefore raises the question why in a country like South Africa where Muslims are just 2% of the population non-Muslims should have to be forced to pay for halal certification because the surcharge benefits only Muslim? These same arguments are being raised in Australia, New Zealand, UK and even in the US ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” some companies have hidden the halal factor from consumers altogether knowing the opposition.
In a Muslim nation there is no question about halal certification but why are Governments of non-Muslim nations allowing food to have halal certification and making companies pay for this which invariably ends up at the doorstep of the consumer? Rainbow Chicken pays Rand 320,000 annually for Halal certification why Unilever pays over Rand65,000 in Durban alone. Companies are never reluctant to pay because they simply pass on these costs to the consumer! Everywhere one looks the halal mark appears so much so it has become a joke and vegetarian restaurants carry halal signs! The difference in the Jewish kosher foods is that they are usually marked in a special section and are more expensive and people are not obliged to buy. Yet 80% of all products on display in South Africa have halal certification.
Why should consumers have to pay for something they did not ask for and for something they are not informed about?
If Muslims use halal on the basis of safety factor in non-Muslim countries especially there is no requirement to have a cost to the halal certification and the fee-element for halal must be removed forthwith as a compromise to the damage done. Halal is a Sharia Law requirement of Islam and non-Muslims in non-Muslim nations should not be required to follow such as a mandatory measure!
Most of the Halal companies themselves are established as charities and therefore are exempt from taxes. In the UK some of these halal companies have defaulted and closed shop making off with the money or opening another company under a different name. Meat codes are being used to hide the fact that the meat comes from certified Halal slaughter centers. ƒÆ’-¡ƒ”š‚ Even Allied Bakeries a top UK bakery with a turnover of ƒÆ’-¡ƒ”š‚£11.1bn and close to 102,000 employees working in 46 countries has become halal certified.
In April 2011, the Canada Revenue Agency revoked IFRAN-CanadaƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢-¾‚¢s charity status having confirmed its links to Hamas. IFRAN was controlled by the Muslim Association of Canada which was proved to be part of the global Muslim Brotherhood.
Can washing utensils that have touched pork or haram foods become halal just because a restaurant has a halal certificate? What if pigs were swimming in the water that we drink despite going through purification process be halal simply because the water has a halal certificate?
Then what about the method used to slaughter animals? The halal method is to not stun animals before slaughter making them die a slow lingering death with the lifeblood slowly drained from their body aware and conscious of their death having to endure the pain more than what is necessary ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” does this not constitute cruelty to animals and their right to life?
Poland banned slaughter of animals according to halal and kosher methods going against EU ruling allowing ritual slaughter out of religious freedom but within a week of the ruling PolandƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢-¾‚¢s agriculture minister announced new legislation that reinstated the practice dealing a blow to animal rights activists because Poland exports halal and kosher meat to 20 countries including Turkey ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” a case of profits overruling ethics!
In Sri Lanka where 70% of the population is Buddhist and its Constitution holds a special place for Buddhism the practice of animal slaughter should not follow halal slaughter methodology and questions why the animal sacrifice bill has been shelved?
It was in 2010 that the mufti of Bosnia ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” Mustafa Ceric urged Muslims to ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ…-conquer the world through Halal movementƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ”š‚ and this explains why there is a rise in halal foods in non-Islamic countries where leaders are oblivious to the larger plan. Muammar Gaddafi expressed similar sentiments to take over the world by natural increase of the Muslim population.
The argument is that when standard agencies are already in place at a national level why is there a requirement to have a religious based certification catering to just one religion which invariably ends up with the non-Muslim consumer having to pay the price for it?
If Muslims in non-Muslim nations wish to eat halal food etc they should negotiate to have a separate counter made available in food outlets to cater to this need.
In any case there should not be any fee charged for Halal certification and no non ƒÆ’‚¢ƒ¢-¡‚¬ƒ¢¢”š¬…” Muslim should be charged one cent or coerced to pay from his hard earned money to produce a benefit that accrues only to Muslims.
Such unfair trading practices must be brought to heel without any delay.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Shenali you are absolutely correct. I don’t have a problem if Muslims wants halal but what about the Buddhists, Christians and Hindus which make up the majority in Sri Lanka? Don’t they have a choice? How would the Muslims feels if they have no choice but to eat non halal food? What about Jews who will eat only Kosher meat? Muslims are proving again and again that they are the most selfish psychopaths same as their leader Mohamad. Never think of other people and their needs. It is me, me, me and more me. In psychiatry this behaviour is known as Narcissistic Psychopathic behaviour or I call it “Me, myslef and I” mentality. Now they have banned Pork in the Parliament and again majority of people have no choice but only the Muslims have a choice and we all have to follow them. As Soma Thero predicted the signs are there for the demise of the Sinhala race unless we stand up and fight for our rights our choices.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Well said Shenali!
It is very unfair for the majority to pay a higher price for the religious needs of a minority.
If a certain religion demands such things, then its the followers of that religion who should shoulder the cost. Other people do not have to pay extra for what they do not believe in.
Some options
1. The government should tax so called “authorities” that issue such certificates heavily. It is nothing more than daylight robbery and extortion.
2. Retailers should refund the cost of “certification” to people who do not believe in it.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I think the best thing would be to avoid “certified” products altogether!
they are mostly meats, not eating meat is good for your health. No cholesterol, no growth hormones and steroids (cause heart attacks, decreased fertility), no antibiotics (reduces disease resistance), no arsenic, etc. etc.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
The health system must issue pig based insulin which is cheaper and closer to human insulin.
Those who have “special requirements” can have non pig insulin but must bare the cost themselves.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Funny, Non Meat Eaters complaining Meat Tax. There are plenty of Non Halal Meat shops catering to the Non Philosophical/Religious Meat Eaters. We Pity the few misguided souls who take self gratification in insulting 1.9 Billion Muslims in this forum. Their display of public denigration is noted and recorded for future references. Time to face up to realities of extinction due to the negligence of the Philosophy.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:08 am
36% of Tourists are Muslims,and three million Muslims are living in Sri Lanka.and moreover Muslims purchasing power and consuming value of those Halal certified items are exceeding 50 %.charges of Halal certificate is reasonable.If non-blievers are so much concern,pls switch to unclean goods.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Shenali has not visited Sri Lanka McDonalds lately. She says “If Muslims in non-Muslim nations wish to eat halal food etc they should negotiate to have a separate counter made available in food outlets to cater to this need.”.
60-70% pepole visiting McDonalds in Sri Lanka are Muslims. Why ? because they can afford the prices.
How did the Muslims in Sri lanka got rich ? Drug trade. I am sure Mr. Fahmy will agree if he is a true follower of allah.
Problem lies with the politicians from all the parties allowed this to happen, collecting a cut from the Muslims who imported drugs from Afganistan via Pakistan.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:14 am
The Sinhala population in Colombo city has dropped to 24 percent in 2012 from 50 percent in 1971, according to the latest statistical records.
The preliminary data of the 2012 Census indicates that the percentages of the Tamil and Muslim populations in Colombo had increased to 33 percent and 40 percent respectively.
In 1971 the Muslim population in Colombo stood at 19 percent and in 2012 it had increased to 40 percent. The percentage of the Tamil population in Colombo in 1971 was 24.5 percent and in 2012 it had increased to 33 percent.
The Sinhala population in the city now stands at 79,468, while Tamil and Muslim populations stand at 106,325 and 126,345 respectively.
So, Mr. Fhamy says “Time to face up to realities of extinction due to the negligence of the Philosophy.”
I agree. Change the governing philosophy of taking bribes and catch the Muslim drugies.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:30 am
** We Pity the few misguided souls who take self gratification in insulting 1.9 Billion …. **
Why bother when they are doing a much better job by beheading, stoning, amputating, blowing themselves up in the name of the great imaginary, selling drugs, dole bulging, etc. etc.
** Their display of public denigration is noted and recorded for future references. **
Again why bother? Isn’t it the job of the great imaginary?
** Time to face up to realities of extinction due to the negligence of the Philosophy. **
Remember the miracle of the desert? The miracle that will occur when oil runs out?
December 11th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Ms Waduge has raised a valid and timely question, which has to be examined dispassionately.
[1] What is the total number of Companies that have obtained Halaal Certification ?
[2] Of this number, how many are Muslim-owned ? (In this case, Halaal Certification becomes compulsory)
[3] Were the halaal-certified Non-Muslim Companies compelled to obtain such registration ?
If no, then why did they voluntarily opt for this Certificate ? Was it because it is more profitable for the Company to be halaal-compliant ?
[4] By what amount will the unit price of an item increase if Halaal Certification is obtained ?
[5] What is the total monthly increase to the average Household Expenditure because of the Halaal Certification ?
Answers to the above questions will provide us with a more valid and rational basis for evaluating the impact of Halaal Certification on the average Consumer. It should be borne in mind that Non-Muslims always have a choice of making their purchases from Halaal or from Non-Halaal Companies. No Non-Muslim consumer is compelled to buy Halaal products. Banning Halaal Certification is not the answer to this perceived problem. Persuading Non-Muslim Companies to overcome their greed for profits and to cancel their Halaal Certification is the way forward
December 11th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Let’s not forget that Democracy in Sri Lanka is a process of Evolution – we are free to correct all our activities here, and re-make them to our liking. In a Democracy, the Consumer is King !
December 11th, 2012 at 11:26 am
In Sri Lanka it is the Sinhala and Buddhists who stand to loose making sacrifices. Sri Lanka is already a country with three languages Sinhala taking the back seat as the Sinhalese are limited to Sri Lanka. The pockets of Sinhalese abroad are much less than those of the Tamils. The Tamil Communities have grown in greater number in Canada,UK,Malaysia, TamilNadu, South Africa .
750 million Rupees allocations are to be paid to renovate 740Tamil Kovils. Some Buddhist Temple have no decent quarters for Monks. The Ancient Buddhist ruins are bulldozed to build houses for Muslims.
Colombo Sinhala population has dropped to 24 percent. How much more will the Sinhalese have to pay to reconcile with the Tamils. The Sinhala people who were forced to leave Jaffna by the terrorists have not been resettled in the former homes. The TNA does not want Sinhalese to settle down in Jaffna as it would cause a change in demography. The Sinhala Students in the Jaffna University had leave the University.
TNA wants the Military reduced in Jaffna and the East. Now Halal, and killing of animals on poya days. What will finally be left for the Sinhala ?
December 11th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Shenali
When you next come to Sri Lanka stay away from the Halal counter.
You do have a choice don’t you?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Although the thrust of this article has hostility written all over it, it does raise some cogent arguments which Muslims, especially the ACJU Halal Unit, cannot ignore. These objections have the potential to become increasingly louder and are likely to sway Non- Muslim public opinion to very extreme positions. So we must take some proactive decisions. Arguably the ACJU Halal certification charges imposed on the companies may be exorbitant enough to motivate even those companies which had paid up and got halal certification to incite the majority community to rise against this requirement. The point made by the author that the non-Muslim consumers are compelled to bear the cost of halal certification cannot be denied if one knows basic trade principles. I am aware that in the UK, Kosher products are confined to separate racks with clear identification and are costlier just as the author claims. Obviously some items are manufactured both as Kosher and non-Kosher and the cost of Kosher certification is borne by the consumer. If we are to adopt such a system, non Muslims will not be forced to bear the cost of halal certification and only Muslims have to pay for it. Of course, there will be problems in implementing such a system in the case of restaurants.
Although for us Muslims halal certification is a benign process, non Muslims are beginning to see it as a global enterprise to dominate world trade and even subjugate countries, far fetched and baseless though the idea is.
(Prof) Siddique
December 11th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Only the Sinhala people can preserve their culture and Philosophy. Blaming the Politicians (elected by the people) and other communities are not going to solve their issues. However actively avoiding eating meat products will be the solution of preserving one of the Buddhist values. One should look at the shocking stats among Buddhist Meat Eaters around the world. Economic Jealousy, baseless accusations of singling out a community or waiting for Oil to run out does not help the imaginary prosperity. There is always a price to pay for clean cut products.
December 12th, 2012 at 1:15 am
HI Senali,
You Quote
“Muslims who quote the Qu’ran which says ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion’ (Surah 2: 256), is following the exact opposite”.
I guess you have miss understood what is compulsion and what is choice.
The above Quran Statement gives every Human Muslim or non-Muslim absolute choice.
The Muslims in non_Muslim Countries have not forced anyone for Halal Certification. It is a CHOICE for every business to get halal certified or not halal certified about it.
As a consumer, if you think you are unfairly treated you too have that same CHOICE what Islam advocates, stop buying the product that you feel is against your belief. Alternatively you can find out the truth behind what is HALAL. Why the Muslims are insisting on Halal product. And then come to a conclusion is it good for your health to consume halal products or not.
The trade off for a Business is, if a product is not halal certified Most Muslims who strongly believe in their faith will simply not buy uncertified products, rather than make fuss cry and make false propaganda because it goes against their belief.
If you believe in something a certain principle and hold it dear to your heart, you will not want to go against it.
most non-Muslims are not able to adhere to such morals and ethics their religion and belief system teaches them.
As the Qurans say, YOU have a CHOICE, every non-Muslim have a CHOICE, the Muslims have a CHOICE, the Businesses have a CHOICE. What matters is how you react and make your choices. you can make your choices while harming and hurting others without fully understanding the reasons and making false accusations, or understand why Muslims are making a CHOICE and why you are making your CHOICE.
Don’t blame other for your inability to refrain from a product, just as a Muslim will refrain from it, if it was not halal certified.
Exercise your GOD give CHOICE, NO-COMPULSION in RELIGION, NO COMPULSION in anything.
For every CHOICE you are presented, you have a decision to make, for every decision you make , you alone are responsible. DONT BLAME OTHERS.
December 12th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Looks like another modern day miracle… the word “Lawful” has suddenly become “Clean”.
Anyway just sit back and enjoy the great miracles of oil free Kabul and Mogadishu.
December 12th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
The biggest problem with this “certification” is that people who do not believe in this are NOT given a choice in most cases, despite a minority believing in it.
The best example for this is a diabetic forced to pay more for inferior non pig insulin because (thanks to a few crybabies) cheap and better pig insulin is not on offer.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:27 am
What I found in this article just opinions of Shenali Waduge. There’s no single fact that is proven with the authentic source.
Have she proven that the cost of Halal product is higher than the non halal product? Yes there’ll be a cost for Halal certification such as ISO certification. Due to this certification have any producers claim that the cost of product has gone up by certain percentage? Or did any producers report that without Halal certification the cost of the product will drop?
The verse she has given from the Quran is without the context. Please as you self is she knows Arabic? Is she a scholar of Islam? Have she given any verse before or after this sentence. Because for an example if I say X kill’s Z. When you read the sentence blindly then X is guilty. To know the fact or come to a conclusion you have to read the whole story. May be X would have killed Z as a self-protection. The real meaning of that word “No Compulsion in Religion”
Allah says,
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ …
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path.
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ (There is no compulsion in religion),
Meaning, “Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty.
Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.” http://www.quran4u.com/Tafsir%20Ibn%20Kathir/002%20Baqarah%20II.htm#أَلَمْ
Can Shenali Waduge prove that Muslims have threatened the shop owners? No one can threat any human beings. If it happens they can file a case since it’s against the law. Muslims are not terrorist, to threaten other people. If Muslims couldn’t get halal product simple they will avoid that product. For the argument sake let’s assume that Muslims threatening the Shop owners. Why you bother about the less than 10%. Shop owner have 90% enjoy with it.
Please note Muslims won’t boycott the shops, but simple avoid the product due non halal certification. And choose a halal certified product. Muslims are not terrorist or racist. Muslims are peace loving people.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Shenali has missed out on some salient aspects of this subject and as such has left an imbalance on it. The Process of Halaal certification originally meant for the Muslims was grabbed as an additional standard certification by the world consumers because of the stringent requirements and products with this certification became important benchmarks for the discerning consumer. The alarming substitution of junk in today’s food industry has seen no limits for profit enhancement. It’s this that made the business community exploit the opportunity which went on well. It would be naive to think that an International Giant like Unilever would pay many millions in South Africa or elsewhere for nothing.
In Sri Lanka there has been prominent instances of food items gaining huge market shares on Halaal certification and thus been able to reduce prices thereby forcing the competitor to follow suit. In U.K. we have found that in areas where Muslims do not find Halaal food they have been relying on Vegetarian certified food who have a strong set up over there. Nobody has yet come out with statistics to prove that any product has gone up in price due to Halaal certification or that they have reduced prices on opting out of it.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
For those who think that the non-Muslim public concern over Halal Certification is only relevant to Sri Lanka are advised to look at the following sites to dispel such views.
* http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-paying-a-fee-for-halal-food-certification-to-the-islamic-council#share
Petition – Stop paying a fee for Halal food certification in Australia
* Funding of Jihad Terrorism – refer discoverthenetworks.org
1) Boycott Halal Web links
http://boycotthalal.org/
2) What You Should Know About The Halal Food Industry
The Counter Jihad Report
http://counterjihadreport.com/2012/01/07/what-you-should-know-about-the-halal-food-industry/
3) Islam & The Cruelty Of Halal
Video
http://www.boycotthalal.com/
4) Call on the Government to Investigate Halal ‘Charities’
http://www.boycotthalal.com/call-on-the-government-to-investigate-halal-charities/
5) Boycott all halal products in Australia
http://www.facebook.com/pages/boycott-all-halal-products-in-australia/171203192936626
6) call to boycott halal foods in Sri Lanka
http://mirror.lk/news/3266-call-to-boycott-halal-foods
(Mirror) – Bodu Bala Sena has urged the Sinhala society to boycott the around 4,000 foodstuffs branded as halal which had been imposed on them.
Secretary of the organization Ven. Galagodaatte Gnanasara Thera say they needed not make an additional payment for halal branded foods.
He alleged the monies earned by this branding goes to promote Islamic ideology, adding Muslims could buy them at their religious places if they wanted halal foods.
Ven. Gnanasara Thera added his organization would raise public awareness on this matter.
7) EU Strategy for the protection and welfare of animals
http://www.boycotthalal.com/category/animal-welfare/
8) Boycott Halal in Europe
https://www.facebook.com/BOYCOTT.HALAL.EUROPE
Boycott all companies and organisations that promote or use Halal products and services to reduce demand.
9) Halal certification – Unfair Trading
http://www.boycotthalal.com/unfair-trading/
10) Non – Halal vegetarian food
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.437411446308052.94709.259382534110945&type=1
11) NON-halal WORLD
https://www.facebook.com/NonHalalWorld/info
WE LIKE OUR NON-halal WORLD – JOIN US & share everything that is NOT halal
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We aim to support Non-Halal products and services worldwide.
We reject all halal products & services in the hope that this will decrease demand and production of halal certified products & services.
What we see as halal and what Muslims see as halal are two completely different things!
Halal is an Islamic word that is used by Muslims to signify what is permissible for them according to Sharia Law
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 am
MY QUESTIONS ARE
1.If they need only HALAL things why they are using other peoples (SINHALESE/TAMILS) BLOOD when they need at Hospitals.Those are already non halal no.They are also using medicine without Halal,can anyone explain this one.
2.Manufacturing companies can make separate products for Muslims and non HALAL for other 80% of the people in Sri Lankans with cheaper price.Then even Muslim people will buy low cost product by forgetting the Good.
3.175,000 rupees for Halal certificate & use that money to build Muslim colonies in ancient Buddhist land like Kuragala.
4 As Buddhist and Cristian people should not use Halal food in temples and Churches.Because Halal foods certified by Allah.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Why should non-Muslims pay for Halal Food?
The question is simply a good question as demanded by the time. And the right answer to the question should include a common view rather than answering by one side of the idea as it is done in the article. Let me point out some simple and logical points so that we can find a way out to the problem.
The basic reason for the existing tension among us comes from the fact that we are far from our religions and the religious scriptures this is the same with Muslims as well as Buddhists and others. So the solution is to go back to it and which no one would rebut if proved by this way. Let’s analyze this in religious light especially with Islam, Buddhism and Christianity.
Before we move on let’s see some important points that any person calling himself religious should or rather must have. Or to simply put a person who discusses such as this topic ought to have some qualities because of the fact the topic discussed is not politics but religious.
Firstly: If I you are a good Buddhists (Muslim, Christian) you should love Buddhism (respective religion), if you love Buddhism you should have the mind set to gift it to someone who doesn’t know about it. For it is like, I have a pot of Gold I would love to share it with others who are around. But this is not the case with 99% percent of us whether it is a non-Muslims or Muslims since we are all living in a highly capital oriented environment where I keep everything to myself. So coming to the point If I find peace with religion of Islam I should try to give it to others without keeping it to myself. But what happens in the case of many Sri Lankans is we are making the others far from it. Let’s say in Sri Lanka there are 7-9 % Muslims, and why don’t you people make an effort to gift your religion to others in ways which are pleasant, rather what you do is giving us an impression that it is not for you. More over Monks’ increasing sort of violent action going on protest etc. are much worrying when thinking of the preaching’s of Buddha. In my case I am inspired by many of the teachings of Buddha (But not all) which are in line with Islamic teachings.
Secondly: In my personal view, there is nothing called extremism in the world when it is related to religious affairs. There are two kinds of people who love their religion and who don’t while the degree of love and hate on both sides may vary. The interesting fact is that every Major religion talks about only one God but it is later diluted and those in the upper line of the society changed it for the benefit of their selves.
An example of such an extremism is as follows: If someone speaks ill of my mother I would be so extreme don’t expect me to compromise in that because I love my mother so much (I swear on God I just shed a tear just when I imagined about it – It is unimaginable for me) In the same way If I love my religion ofcours I will feel so bad when some harm happens to it and this is the same with others as well. But the point is the response to such harm should not be what the particular religion teaches.
Thirdly : If you need to find the truth about what Islam is don’t look at a Muslim and say this is what is Islam is, Don’t bring a case happened in some part of world and say this is what is Islam is.
Finally and most importantly : Anyone who discusses such a topic should have the mentality of finding the truth rather than just throwing ill words at each other as it is the case with the above article and some comments.
Answering some point from you article.
Why should non-muslims pay for Halal food?
Let me clarify you first the term “Halal”
Halal means possessing or consuming what is good to simply put what is permissible is Halal, we call it halal as opposite to haram what is prohibited.
So, it is prohibited to steal
It is prohibited to do prostitution
It is prohibited to drink Alcohol
It is prohibited to have Pork
It is prohibited to take or give interest etc.
Basically everything is Halal except what is prohibited in the sense what is permissible in Islam is a bigger category compared to what is prohibited.
So basically halal certificate is issued on the foods which have no mixing with any of those mentioned above, especially Alcohol, swine and what is not healthy to Body.
So now if we can find that Buddhism and Christianity both in line with this and prohibits this too as Islam does the problem is solved
1. Alcohol –
• Surā-meraya-majja-pamādaṭṭhānā veramaṇī sikkhāpadaṃ samādiyāmi
I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented drink that causes heedlessness.
• Panathi patha wera mani sikha padhan samadi yani
It is not allowed for Buddhist to eat meat so whether it is pork beef mutton this entire are to permissible for Buddhist in the case of Muslims the list stops with Pork since Islam and Christianity prohibits having pork. Any food which has a mixture of any of the above is not permissible to Buddhists. So there too you don’t have any problem in issuing certificate on those stuff and and on the other hand it is well known that good Buddhists like sister shanali would not compel Muslim eating meat because it is against their policy “There is no compulsion in religion”. And they to believe in it I am sure.
If, Buddhist means a person who follows the teachings a preachings of Buddha you as a dedicated Buddhist will not find it as difficult to digest when you find it as the truth. A good Buddhist would start supporting such a cause irrespective of the person who starts it.
What has happened here is once they heard of the Arabic term Halal we start to think this is a word probably from Saudi Arabia so why the heck should I follow it. Hope my sister born to another mother understands it.
Note: “Shop owners in Sri Lanka have been threatened “
This is clearly a false claim which is not at all a truth. Not factual but fictious.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Visual response.
Discussion about Halaal & Haraam Concept by ACJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9yAJj5gSF68
January 27th, 2013 at 5:13 am
Halal certification is not confined to food and drugs. These Islamic racists started a very agressive campaign to take control of good schools in Colombo and island wide. While Zahira Maradana is for Muslims only, they are trying very hard to control Carey College, Wesley College and lot of other schools in colombo by currupt people getting into unions and admission panels with money to spend. Wesley was saved by their brilliant principal and one courages past student.
One victim is St.Sebestain College Aluthkade. Now it is re name as ” ST SEBASTIAN MUSLIM MAHA VIDYALAYA”
Read this note by HECTOR RAPHAEL which is available online:
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD OF -ST SEBASTIAN MUSLIM MAHA VIDYALAYA AT ALUTHKADE, FR. EMANUEL YOUR OWN CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS VANDALIZED, BOMBS THROWN AT THE PREMISSES, AND THE TAMIL PARISH PRIEST THREATENED WITH DEATH AND CHASED AWAY.
ST. SEBASTIAN SCHOOL WAS RE NAMED AS ST. SEBASTIAN MUSLIM MAHA VIDYALAYA. THE BOARD STILL STANDS 10 YEARS AFTER THE INCIDENT, EVEN THE POPE IS SILENT ON THIS ISSUE.
CATHOLIC CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE A PLACE TO FOLLOW SUNDAY SCHOOL, GARBAGE IS THROWN INTO THE CHURCH ON A REGULAR BASIS. THIS IS YOUR KIND OF RECONCILLATION AND CO EXISTANCE.
THESE MUSLIMS ARE NOT AWARE THAT ST. SEBASTIAN LOVED EATING PORK WHILE HE WAS ALIVE, BUT THEY STILL HAVE BAPTISED HIM AS A MUSLIM.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:31 am
We have Halal mobile phones, Selotapes, toilet paper, paint, and cucumber here in UK. So if something is halal that means its good? So if you want to sell some crap at a higher price or with higher credibility, just tag it halal, and sell. I think this Halal concept is great. It makes people think that any shit is great in the hands of halal certification. I love it. Even here in the UK we have halal pork.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Halal sahathikaye waradak nehe, eth eka gannakota thamange rahas wattoru denna wenawa ehema deepu biskat samagam dekaka wattoruwa e kattiya wenath ayata deela dan e biskat walata samana biskat hadanna wenath ayath patan aran. ewage hora wedath wenawa. e wagema e samagam walata muslim sewakayo badawaganna kiyalath kiyanawalu. Halal walata gewana salli muslim palli adanna ganna eka nam weradei eka nisa e sallith rate sanwardanaya wenuwen anduwata lebenawanam kamak nehe. Halal sahathikaya dena ekath anduwata gaththanam oya halal sahathikaya denna oya sanvidanayata dena badda nethiwenawa. oka islam agame anya agamikayangen badu ganna hadagaththa kramayak. Muslim aya Halal nethathnam Sinhala/Demala ayage kada walata yanne nethnam Sinhala/Demala ayath Muslim kada walata yanne mokatada! Muslim minissu lankawata weladam karanna apu kale yanna aththeth egollangema Halal kada walata wenna athi. ape rate genu arabiyata gihilla hamba karagannawalu, ehenam Muslim aya lankawata awilla hamba karaganne nethuwa apahu apu ratakatama giyanam ape gehenunwath apahugenna ganna puluwan. lankawe Muslim %10 k indala mehema nam, thawa wedi unoth JIHAD thrasthawadi sanvidanath hadai. ehakota apitath kata pukai wahagena thamai inna wenne. arabiye mohomadlata wada lankawe bawdayange hoda kama nisai megollanta katha karanna hari nidahasak thiyenne, nethnam ape ayata arabiyata gihilla pansalak hadanawa thiya buddha rupayakwath thiyaganna puluwanda! aduma gane sinhala vidiyata adumakwath adinna denawada!. Islam agame vidiyata wahallunta salakana vidiyata thamai salakanne. ane ithin munta giya rata..! https://sites.google.com/site/islamyanukumakda/home
*In English: http://alisina.org/understanding-muhammad/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjYeubTpVvE
February 20th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Come to the next point,
Why should non muslim take halal foods?
>Who forced non-muslim also should take halal foods???no body forced!
Let we take a halal biscuits ingridents,
*Wheat flour,glucose,sugar,permited colour,and etc.
Like a wise a halal milk drink pack:
Milk,sugar,colours,etc
Now Let we take NON- HALAL biscuits ingridents,
*Wheat flour,glucose,sugar,permited colour,and etc.
Like a wise a NON-HALAL milk drink pack:
Milk,sugar,colours,etc
Those are same…what you understand above the details? You can understand HALAL is not a ingridents,halal is not a solid/liqiud/gas contain!
Do u have seen on a halal products as like follow this
Ingridents:sugar,flours.colour,HALAL
Or
Ingridents:milk,water,sugar,HALAL?????????
Never….u can’t see like this,because halal is not a ingridents,it is the certification of which food is pure,non affectable,quality products!
February 21st, 2013 at 2:35 am
Let me start off by saying comments such as “conquer the world through Halal movement”, the world being “Islamized” etc. are political (and not religious) statements made for their personal and / or political gains and (often exaggerated and) publicized by the (western) media for similar (although often opposing) reasons. Also, the comment credited to Gaddafi “…to take over the world by natural increase of the Muslim population” is contradictory, as by the ‘natural increase of the Muslim population’, Muslims will ‘naturally’ be a majority, or at least a significant percent of the population of the world and as such nothing really there to take over.
Moving on to the main issue, the ‘Halal Certification’ itself, what difference (other than the supposed cost, which I will come to) does it make to a non-Muslim, if a product is Halal certified? Does it differ in taste, quality, finish or any other factor which would define the qualities of a product? Also, Halal (certification) is not “a growing fad that is taking over the non-Muslim world”, but is an obligation and duty of Muslims all over and has thus evolved to become a ‘business strategy’ for those businesses wanting to capture the ‘Muslim market’. This ‘strategy’, as well as the growing Muslim world population, combined with scientific evidence that the Halal method of slaughter is the most ideal for human consumption (in terms of meat products), are the reasons for the “rise in halal foods in non-Islamic countries” and not due to any supposed attempts at conquering “the world through Halal movement”.
According to you, “Without a doubt halal certification is creating tensions not only in Sri Lanka but globally as well.” Really? Well, I have a lot of doubt about this. Could you substantiate this with a few examples, as opposed to making such an ambiguous blanket statement? Even if this is so, it is not because of any attempts to conquer “the world through Halal movement”, but due to the instigations and provocations of a ‘few in power’ for their personal and political goals, possibly to hide inadequacies, incompetence’s and shortcomings in other areas, as well as certain goons, cohorts and factions of those ‘in power’ reacting to these provocations in extreme ways and causing tensions amongst the people and last and certainly not the least, people like you (Ms. Shenali Waduge), penning such biased and racist articles such as these, adding fuel to this unwanted and unnecessary fire that is burning the country, dividing the people and leading it in to another ethnic / racial conflict, having just completed one that’s been ruining the country for the last 30 years.
Again, the ‘fact’ that Halal certification creating global tensions is totally baseless, as countries like Singapore, Thailand etc., Asian countries with a similar demography to ours (Buddhist majority and Muslim / Tamil minorities), where all ethnicities co-exist peacefully and has many businesses which are Halal certified as well as many which are not. There again, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. Each group live their lives and conduct their business according to their beliefs, without harming or hindering the others. I have close family and relatives in western countries, where Halal certified outlets and suppliers are few and far between (as opposed to your statement about the projection of the whole of Europe being ‘Islamized’), and they have to travel considerable distances to obtain Halal products.
For your information, we Muslims require that all products we use are Halal (which, for your information, means nothing more than that it is ‘permitted’ / ‘allowed’ / ‘approved’ for Muslims to use etc., which leads up to the fact that a Muslims entire life (work, income, expenses, attire, entertainment, associations etc. should all be Halal), the opposite of which is Haram and as such not permitted) and living in democratic, multi-religious countries, being allowed to ‘practice our religion’, are allowed to do. The term Halal has also been grossly exaggerated by the western media, sometimes misleading people to believe it leads up to ‘Jihad’ levels. Another thing, ‘Halal’ certified products are not exclusively for Muslims. Islam is a religion of health and wellbeing and as such, all Halal certified food products could be scientifically proven to be the most suited for human consumption, irrespective of your faith or belief. All the Halal certificate really does is to inform the Muslims (concerned about Halal products), that the product in question is safe for consumption. Nothing more, nothing less. So I hope that clears that up.
As for the ‘cost’ of Halal certification, I’m not sure exactly how much they charge for the certification, but I’m sure a certain minimum charge is necessary to maintain the organization (staff, administration, maintenance, monitoring etc). The ISO certification, for example (also an independent, non-governmental body), providing certification for organizations and products that meets it’s standards, which doesn’t come cheap either, where this cost too is generally imposed on the consumer. We did not ask for this and it could be questioned if we really need this, as ISO is generally a standard imposed by the West, on Asian and developing countries, to prevent inferior / sub-standard products entering their markets. You don’t see companies like BMW, Mercedes, McDonald’s, Coca Cola etc obtaining ISO certification.
On the cost being transferred to the consumer, has any product, formerly non-Halal but which ‘switched’ to being halal, increased it’s price (drastically or otherwise) after the change? One may argue that the organization would not admit to the increase being due to this reason, but to you’re knowledge, has such an increase taken place immediately or shortly after obtaining the Halal certification? If not, then what are you talking about?
As for the quote “Let there be no compulsion in religion” as well as ‘forcing’ organizations to adopt Halal methods of production and threatening to boycott organizations that do not comply, this is, once again, grossly exaggerated (obviously to create a rift between Muslims and non-Muslims and promote anti-Muslim sentiments) and are quite baseless.
Simply stated, as I have mentioned above, we Muslims are required to use only Halal (permitted) products and services, the opposite of which, Haram (forbidden) we are not permitted to use. So we are not forcing our will or our laws on anyone. Being non-Halal is completely your choice, but if this is the case, we will not use / consume your products or services. This is not a threat, just a fact. Recently there was a statement circulated (vai Facebook and e-mail), supposedly made by the management of Lucky Yoghurt, that they’re not Halal certified and will never be and is quite proud of it. That’s their prerogative and it is completely fine with us. But as a result, we (Muslims) will not buy Lucky yoghurt and will inform other Muslims also to refrain from doing so, as the product is Haram (forbidden) for our consumption. This is not to boycott the product, but (as Muslims who are aware), it becomes our religious duty and obligation to inform other Muslims (who may be unaware) of this fact. There was also a ‘tag’ on the side to the effect of “truly Sri Lankan” and ‘be Lankan, buy Lankan”, which beats me, as I don’t understand how a Halal certified product could be any less Sri Lankan than a non-Halal certified product, or vice versa.
It is the specific organization which approaches the ACJU and requests for Halal certification and not the other way around, where the ACJU (or any other organization) approaches businesses and threatens or blackmails them in to obtaining Halal certification. If they wish to capture the Muslim segment of the market, then the way to do it is (seemingly) obvious. Although Muslims in Sri Lanka make up only a small percentage of the population, it is known that they are the biggest spenders (sadly, for good and bad), thus making up a substantial share of the consumer market. So it makes sense for any business, being (or aiming to be) a profit centre, to be Halal certified. Which would explain why even international fast-food chains like McDonald’s, KFC, Pizza Hut (not sure currently as there was some issue) etc obtained Halal certification as soon as they landed on our shores. They would not have done so without substantial research and a lot of facts and figures to justify it.
For your information, the Keells Super on Hospital road, Kalubowila has made all meat items available there totally Halal (with a separate cooler containing a few Pork items), plus there is no liquor sold there either. This is because there is a substantial amount of Muslims living in the area and they obviously want to capture this market. Another instance, Gunasiri Hotel in Kolpetty, opposite the Kolpetty Mosque, is Halal certified, thus getting the business of a lot of Muslims, especially after Friday ‘Jummah’ prayers. But being Buddhist, they also do not serve Beef. So they maintain a balance and manage to stay in business, doing quite well, as a matter of fact. You may cry that this is “a case of profits overruling ethics”, but this obviously makes ‘business sense’ and being a ‘business’, the whole objective is to make a profit, so your cry is like complaining about politicians being corrupt or the sea being salty. That’s just the way it is.
Let me give another example, this of a non-Halal one. Some time ago there was an issue where Harpo’s had accidentally served Pork to a Muslim customer and there was a call that Harpo’s should go Halal, if he wants to catch the Muslim diners. There was much argument back and forth (for and against Harpo’s being Halal certified), but to date Harpo’s remains as is, and is not Halal certified. That is his wish and is completely fine. Those (Muslims) concerned about eating only Halal food have and probably would continue to not dine there. Are you then suggesting that they (Muslims) should be forced to dine there, to avoid a ‘boycott’?
As for you’re ‘joke’ that even some “vegetarian restaurants carry halal signs”, this is correct, as even though all vegetables are Halal, the ingredients used (oils, fats, dye’s etc.) could be non-Halal and thus it would be prudent for such an establishment to get a Halal certificate if they are suitably compliant and wish to be portrayed as a Halal restaurant.
On “…obtaining the prior consent of the non-Muslim consumer”, could you please explain how this could possibly be logically done? As for the Cow being revered in both Buddhist and Hindu cultures and as such not killing it (for sale as meat or otherwise), that (as explained in an example above), is the choice of those involved in the said business and not enforced by anyone, either governmental or non-governmental. In the meantime, are you suggesting that, in order to show compassion to all living beings, the slaughter of animals be completely stopped and the entire country go 100% vegetarian? Please understand that objecting to the Halal method of slaughter and trying to stop the slaughter of Cows (or of all animals in general), are two (or more) entirely separate issue(s) and you have got the whole thing totally tangled up and thus stepped on your own shoes (as it were) several times over.
Another thing (that you may or may not know) is that it is (ironically) not the Islamic (Halal) method of slaughtering that displays the most cruelty, but by some slaughterhouses owned by the ‘Sinhalese’, where they beat the animal to death with clubs and stones etc., which has been brought to light in the media quite frequently in the past and the culprits brought to book. Whilst the Halal method has a religious basis (now also proven scientifically), the other one has none whatsoever and is blatant animal cruelty. Apparently according to a study done by a German (non-Muslim) university on the best slaughter methods, they have found that the ‘Halal’ / Muslim method of slaughter not just causes the animal less pain, but no pain at all. Thus the slaughter of all animals must be done according to the Islamic method, as decreed by law.
“If Muslims in non-Muslim nations wish to eat halal food etc they should negotiate to have a separate counter made available in food outlets to cater to this need.” Well, I honestly don’t see who we are to ‘negotiate’ with and how this could be logically done and it is evident from businesses with Halal certification that they have decided it makes more sense to go ‘completely Halal’, as opposed to having a separate counter. Once again, more to do with ‘business strategy’ than any supposed threats. I also still do not see what the issue non-Muslims have with eating Halal meat is.
If you don’t want to eat meat (of the Cow or any other animal), then by all means don’t. If you don’t want to eat ‘Halal’ meat (for all the difference it makes), then by all means, don’t. There are plenty of non-Halal butchers and other meat suppliers as well as plenty of hotels, restaurants and other eating places that have not (yet) been Halal certified. But for God’s sake, don’t persecute us (Muslims) for insisting on Halal products and services, for we are simply following our religion and not (as you say) trying to take over the world, or even Sri Lanka.
So to answer your question in the title, Non-Muslims don’t ‘have to’ accept Halal certification and as stated above, they are certainly not paying for it.
Let me finish by saying that I am a Sri Lankan. I was born a Sri Lankan and will die a Sri Lankan. Saudi Arabia is not my country. For God’s sake, I can’t (or find it very hard to) even get a visa to Saudi. Sri Lanka is my country. And I am proud of it. And no one, not even you Ms . Shenali Waduge, can take that away from me.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Shanali, you can find more links about the big foot and that doesn’t make it true. There really isn’t any movement in the civilized world against Halal. Civilized countries considers Halal (and Kosher) certificates to be fundamental religious rights. I hope Sri Lanka too continues to provide such rights and remain a religiously tolerant society. If there is a reason to believe that any organization funds anti-Sri Lankan or illegal activity, then we should let the proper authorities investigate and take action without encouraging racist vigilantes to take the law into their own hands.
Additionally, I don’t have time to explain how nonsensical the price/tax argument is. For that, you will need to understand a little about how things work in the free market. But here is something all Sri Lankans will understand. The cost of ethnic instability is far greater that the 2 cents you are fighting about.
So, please, leave it to consumers’ choice.
BTW, I am a buddhist and a true patriot – the kind that thinks about how our actions now can have long term implications.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Hi INESH,
1.If they need only HALAL things why they are using other peoples (SINHALESE/TAMILS) BLOOD when they need at Hospitals.Those are already non halal no.They are also using medicine without Halal,can anyone explain this one.
BECAUSE YOU DON’T EAT BLOOD!
2.Manufacturing companies can make separate products for Muslims and non HALAL for other 80% of the people in Sri Lankans with cheaper price.Then even Muslim people will buy low cost product by forgetting the Good.
EXACTLY. THAT IS HOW CONSUMERISM WORK. COMPANIES ARE COMPLETELY FREE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. BUT I SUSPECT THEY REALIZED, IT IS ACTUALLY CHEAPER WHEN YOU DON’T SEPARATE. THIS IS ECONOMICS.
3.175,000 rupees for Halal certificate & use that money to build Muslim colonies in ancient Buddhist land like Kuragala.
BS. EVEN IF IT IS TRUE, WHY DON’T YOU THEN PETITION THE GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE AND TAKE ACTION WITHOUT INCITING VIOLENCE. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD AGAIN?
4 As Buddhist and Cristian people should not use Halal food in temples and Churches.Because Halal foods certified by Allah.
IS THAT REALLY WHAT OUR RELIGION SAYS? ARE YOU REALLY A BUDDHIST? REGARDLESS, BACK TO ECONOMICS; TEMPLES AND CHURCHES ARE FREE TO BUY WHATEVER THEY WANT. NO ONE FORCED THEM TO BUY HALAL. THEM THE DEMAND AND SUPPLY WILL DETERMINE THE PRICE.
STOP THE HATRED AND MADNESS.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Halal food is NOT suitable for HUMAN consumption!
Look at the people in halal eating countries.
e.g. Pakistan, Gaza, Saudi
Barbaric. That is why halal food is NOT suitable for HUMAN consumption!
March 4th, 2013 at 12:31 am
Lorenzo, please don’t display your stupidity by posting such immature, senseless, moronic comments. Grow up. You want to argue or complain about something, do it with facts. Logic. Common sense. Intelligence. Use that God-given brain at least once in a while.