{"id":134086,"date":"2023-04-30T15:14:59","date_gmt":"2023-04-30T22:14:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/?p=134086"},"modified":"2023-04-30T15:14:59","modified_gmt":"2023-04-30T22:14:59","slug":"mahapajapati-ordained-at-very-first-asking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/2023\/04\/30\/mahapajapati-ordained-at-very-first-asking\/","title":{"rendered":"Mah\u0101paj\u0101pat\u012b\u00a0 Ordained at\u00a0 Very First Asking"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>\u00a0 Ven. Bhikkhu Mihita, PhD (writing from Canada)\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>The issue of the ordination of Mahapajapati Gotami, step-mother nursing mom of Prince Siddhartha,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>later Buddha, continues to be controversial. The general understanding, as encouraged in the Pali version, &nbsp;is that she was <em>denied <\/em>&nbsp;ordination, not only once but twice, and was finally given &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;at Encounter 5, Buddha\u2019s hands pushed by Ananda. The Chinese Madhyama agama&nbsp; and Sanskrit, however,&nbsp; include&nbsp; a specific line&nbsp; that speaks to her ordination at the first request.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So to introduce the context first, the Buddha visits father King Suddhodana in 1PE (year 1, Post-Enlightenment). At this Encounter 1, listening to the Dhamma, she becomes a stream-entrant (<em>sotapanna<\/em>) while the King becomes a nonreturner (<em>anagami<\/em>). In 5PE,&nbsp; he makes a second visit, father on death-bed.&nbsp;&nbsp; After the King passes away, &nbsp;the &nbsp;Buddha <em>stays behind at hometown Kapilavatthu, <\/em>spending the rains season<em> (vassana).<\/em> With both &nbsp;&nbsp;son Nanda, and grandson Rahula, already in robes, Mahapajapati understandably has her mind on it, too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At the end of Vassana,&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;she approaches the Buddha, and in this Encounter 3, &nbsp;&nbsp;makes her first&nbsp; <em>Entreaty<\/em> \u2013 a polite request, &nbsp;regarding women <em>leaving home<\/em> <em>to homelessness,<\/em> to train in the Path. &nbsp;&nbsp;But to be noted is that she is not specifically&nbsp; requesting &nbsp;&nbsp;personal ordination for herself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A year or two later, Buddha successfully averts&nbsp; a&nbsp; fight&nbsp; over the waters of river Rohini.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Inspired by a Dhamma talk, 250 soldiers from each side \u2013 Koliyans on mother\u2019s side, Sakyans on father\u2019s,&nbsp; seek&nbsp; and are given ordination.&nbsp; Pajapati, on behalf of the wives,&nbsp; making&nbsp; the same request again, it&nbsp; comes to be&nbsp;&nbsp; turned down.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But a careful look at the <em>wordings <\/em>of the <strong><em>very first<\/em><\/strong> Entreaty &nbsp;(Encounter 3) &nbsp;&nbsp;seems to tell a different story.&nbsp; Here then is the text, as per the Madhyama agama:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table><tbody><tr><td>MAHAPAJAPATI<\/td><td>BUDDHA<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Can women attain the fourth fruit of recluseship?\u201d&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/td><td>[Noble silence]<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>For that reason [can] women \u2026 leave&nbsp;&nbsp; home to &nbsp;homelessness<\/td><td>Now, Gotami, do not have this&nbsp;&nbsp; thought\u2026 [to] leave home&nbsp; to homelessness \u2026.<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>&nbsp;&#8230; to train in the path?\u201d<\/td><td>Gotami, you [a] <em>shave off your hair like this<\/em>, [b] <em>put on ochre robes<\/em> and [c] <em>for your whole life<\/em> [d] <em>practice the pure holy life.<\/em>&nbsp; &nbsp;<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The response&nbsp; she&nbsp; gets&nbsp; for the first part of&nbsp; the question&nbsp; is a \u2018noble silence\u2019.&nbsp;&nbsp; It may be noted that when invited for alms, Buddha\u2019s acceptance was through silence. So &nbsp;his silence to the question then means that he indeed gives the hint that, &nbsp;yes, women can attain the fourth fruit\u201d, &nbsp;meaning Arahanthood, &nbsp;meaning Nibbana while alive.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; His&nbsp; answer to the second part of the question, Now, Gotami, do not have this thought..\u201d, &nbsp;&nbsp;true enough, may have a negative ring to it. But, it&nbsp; can be seen as a mere cautioning about &nbsp;&nbsp;<em>leaving home &nbsp;into &nbsp;homelessness<\/em>. &nbsp;But, as if in relation to her last words,&nbsp; &#8230; to train in the path?\u201d,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;the Buddha seems to take &nbsp;her &nbsp;to the&nbsp; personal level &nbsp;&#8211; &nbsp;[a] <em>shave off your hair like this<\/em>, [b] <em>put on ochre &nbsp;robes<\/em>\u201d and [c] <em>for your whole life<\/em> [d] <em>practice the pure holy life\u201d <\/em>(as in the Madhyama-Agama wording).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now doesn\u2019t&nbsp;&nbsp; putting on robes, and shaving off &nbsp;hair&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mean&nbsp;&nbsp; giving up lay life, as was also done by Siddhartha upon leaving the Palace? Having no hair and being in a robe are what mark a Bhikkhu and Bhikkhuni from the laity, then as it is today. &nbsp;&nbsp;So, what would&nbsp; the Buddha have meant with his&nbsp; words &nbsp;other than <strong>ordination?&nbsp; <\/strong>Isn\u2019t it further confirmed when the shaving and donning is to be <em>&nbsp;for your whole life<\/em>\u201d?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But Pajapati seems to have taken the words to mean that she was denied ordination, &nbsp;seemingly again for a very good reason. Today, \u2018ordination\u2019 entails <em>leaving home into homelessness<\/em>, &nbsp;hair &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;shaven , and&nbsp;&nbsp; wearing&nbsp; the robes.&nbsp; Required also is a begging bowl. Ordination directed by two Sangha Elders, Higher Ordination Upasampada call for 10 monks, to be held in&nbsp; an authorized <em>seema <\/em>\u2018boundary\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So today, ordination basically&nbsp; EQUALS <em>formalities<\/em> and <em>rituals<\/em>. No ritual, no ordination! Period. And by the time when Mahapajapat\u012b makes the first entreaty, such formalities had certainly come to be in place, too, &nbsp;&nbsp;in relation to <em>male ordination<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, and this is the critical point, in the <em>earliest<\/em> stages of&nbsp; male ordination there were <em>no&nbsp; such formalities<\/em>. Visiting the Group of Five, with whom Samana Gotama future Buddha had spent time in the bush exploring liberation, he&nbsp; was to&nbsp;&nbsp; teach them&nbsp; the Dhamma,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; addressing&nbsp; them simply as \u2018O Bhikkhus\u2019,&nbsp; when&nbsp; they reply Lord\u201d.&nbsp; Ordained!&nbsp;&nbsp; And many a wanderer of the time being Brahmins, they most likely had long hair, and beards,&nbsp; too, and were bare-bodied waist-up.&nbsp; But no call to shave off the hair or wear robes.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;But to take the case of the first <strong><em>lay<\/em> <\/strong>male Yasa, there was no call to leave the household either to be given ordination,&nbsp; even though he&nbsp; came from luxury. As&nbsp; for his&nbsp; higher&nbsp; ordination, the Buddha\u2019s&nbsp; words were, Come, oh Bhikkhu. Well taught is the Dhamma. Lead the holy life to make a complete end of suffering\u201d. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Re&nbsp; other male seekers, too,&nbsp; ordination comes to be when the Buddha addresses them: Oh,&nbsp; Bhikkhu\u201d,&nbsp; or&nbsp; \u2018Come Bhikkhu\u2019 (<em>ehi bhikkhu<\/em>),&nbsp; or if more than one, <em>etha bhikkhave<\/em>. There is no mention of shaving off hair, &nbsp;getting into robes, getting a begging bowl &nbsp;or leaving the household.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For all the absence of formality and ritual, &nbsp;when it comes to male ordination, the tradition has &nbsp;clearly&nbsp; had&nbsp; no hesitancy in recognizing the first five and the others as being&nbsp; <em>ordained.&nbsp; <\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;And nobody even today would deny&nbsp; that the one-&nbsp; or&nbsp; two-word call from the Buddha did not constitute an ordination.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To continue with &nbsp;the caution as in all three versions \u2013 Pali, Chinese and Sanskrit, &nbsp;about leaving home into homelessness, in real pragmatic terms, could&nbsp; a royal lady, by this time of about&nbsp; the&nbsp; age of 55&nbsp; (or possiblyolder by another tradition), have&nbsp;&nbsp; lived in the bush? Never mind the animals, but what about the human predators? Could &nbsp;she have survived &nbsp;the onslaughts of weather \u2013 sun, rain and wind?&nbsp; &nbsp;What about begging for food? &nbsp;Could she make the rounds for hours? Would&nbsp; there be no harassments by the males in a society where women were mere chattels?&nbsp; If&nbsp; food collected, would&nbsp; there be animals going after it? So would&nbsp; allowing Pajapati to leavethe household not be an invitation to suffering? To be remembered is that Buddha himself was to abandon&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; extreme self-suffering, arriving at the Middle Path. &nbsp;Additionally, would&nbsp; such materialistic impediments in the bush not stand in the way&nbsp; of qualities supportive of liberation such as meditation (<em>sati; samaadhi<\/em>), &nbsp;&nbsp;happiness <em>(peeti<\/em>) and relaxation (<em>passaddhi<\/em>)?&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On the other hand, would&nbsp; remaining in the Palace, by herself, &nbsp;not be supportive of a &nbsp;&nbsp;lifetime commitment and practice?&nbsp;&nbsp; Would&nbsp; it be &nbsp;an impediment to her spiritual&nbsp; life?&nbsp; Husband passed away, and&nbsp;&nbsp; son&nbsp;&nbsp; and grandson in robes,&nbsp;&nbsp; who would be in her way, physically or &nbsp;&nbsp;psychologically?&nbsp; The only ones interacting with her&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;would be&nbsp; her women attending on her . Would&nbsp; they be in her way?&nbsp; Would their &nbsp;attending on her be an attraction back to lay life to one with hair cut off &nbsp;&nbsp;and in &nbsp;robes, specially for one&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; already a sotapanna?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, in essence, then,&nbsp;&nbsp; the palace by herself would&nbsp; have been the perfect fit \u2013 a peaceful environment, guaranteeing &nbsp;food, &nbsp;safety and security. Indeed this may well have been the context that prompts&nbsp; the Buddha allowing an \u2018empty house\u2019 (<em>sunnagara<\/em>) as the third option for Sangha living,&nbsp;&nbsp; in addition to the bush and under a tree.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If this be the case then, that would show&nbsp; that Mahapajapati was <em>by no means denied ordination<\/em>. &nbsp;What she was denied was \u2018leaving home to homelessness\u2019 (<em>agarasma anagariyan<\/em>).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What we see is the Buddha, in his pragmatic creativity<em>, <\/em>finding&nbsp; a way ofordaining her.&nbsp;&nbsp; So while the <em>physical<\/em> going forth had been cautioned against,&nbsp;&nbsp; she&nbsp; is clearly being guided along into&nbsp; a&nbsp;&nbsp; <strong><em>psychological<\/em> <em>going forth<\/em><\/strong>, this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; for a&nbsp; full lifetime.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>While Buddha instructing &nbsp;that she shave off her hair and put on robes for her whole life, as in the last line, is only &nbsp;in the Chinese and Sanskrit versions,&nbsp; a definitive piece of evidence <s>&nbsp;<\/s>&nbsp;&nbsp;that &nbsp;she &nbsp;&nbsp;was given ordination &nbsp;comes from the Pali version itself. In relation to the final&nbsp; encounter, Mahapajapati making her way to&nbsp; the Buddha in Vesali, with a number of other ladies, and &nbsp;asks the same question&nbsp; &#8211; as to whether women could&nbsp; come by the fourth recluseship, leaving home into homelessness. But at this Encounter, laying down a&nbsp; set of Vinaya Rules, called Garudhamma \u2018Principles of Respect\u2019, the Buddha specifically says that accepting them would constitute&nbsp; <strong>the higher ordination<\/strong> (<em>upasampada<\/em>) <strong>for Mahapajapati<\/strong>.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now, does one not have to &nbsp;&nbsp;have &nbsp;&nbsp;an initial ordination, <em>pabbajja, <\/em>&nbsp;to &nbsp;qualify for the higher ordination? &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So when &nbsp;was it&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;given? &nbsp;As seen above, it was certainly not when the request was made the second time on behalf of the soldier wives. <em>The obvious context when she receives the initial ordination would be none other than the initial Entreaty<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Buddha spending Vassana&nbsp; at Kapilavatthu&nbsp; when the King passes away is another piece of evidence, &nbsp;&nbsp;this being the only time. It may have been &nbsp;&nbsp;for grief counseling to Pajapati. &nbsp;But it may indeed have been to provide an opportunity for her to come to him. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To be noted is that both levels of Pajapati ordination were given by the Buddha by way of an <em>instruction<\/em>. &nbsp;&nbsp;If we need a &nbsp;precedent in relation to male ordination, &nbsp;&nbsp;we &nbsp;have the case of Mahakassapa. It was&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a distinct&nbsp; &nbsp;form of ordination by accepting an instruction\u201d. While this method is not shown in the Vinaya,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; has the Elder &nbsp;responsible for the First Council&nbsp; ever been considered to be not ordained?&nbsp; So it is then the same method that is used by the Buddha in relation to Mahapajapati Gotami.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But still, if the case has still not been made,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; there is the case&nbsp;&nbsp; of the Buddha&nbsp; making&nbsp;&nbsp; exceptions\u201d,&nbsp;&nbsp; Subhadda, the last to get ordained under him, being &nbsp;an example.&nbsp;&nbsp; The&nbsp; rule by now was that&nbsp;&nbsp; a disciple of&nbsp;&nbsp; another teacher looking for discipleship under&nbsp; the Buddha was to mark time&nbsp; for four months before being admitted. And, of course, &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>upasampad\u0101<\/em> was to be given after several years following &nbsp;<s>&nbsp;<\/s><em>pabbajja<\/em>. But says the Buddha, I make individual exceptions\u201d,&nbsp; and then he asks Ananda to ordain him in his very presence, at <em>both levels<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp; So asking Pajapati to shave off and put on robes may &nbsp;be seen&nbsp; as an exception made by the Buddha.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To be noted is that Mahapajapati comes to be ordainedat the first Entreaty<em>even when&nbsp; she had not specifically asked for it<\/em>!&nbsp;&nbsp; In doing so, the Buddha can be said to achieve two goals. One is to create&nbsp; conditions for the <em>personal<\/em>&nbsp; liberation of his nursing mom, in an expression of gratitude, <em>katannuta<\/em>, a rare value as pointed out by him. And the second is that by&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; admitting <strong><em>&nbsp;<\/em><\/strong><em>&nbsp;<\/em>this single female to the monastic life,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the Buddha was also&nbsp; <strong><em>opening the door<\/em><\/strong><em> for <strong>women\u2019s ordination in general<\/strong><\/em>, though in time.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What the&nbsp; Buddhian&nbsp; pragmatism &nbsp;shows then &nbsp;is his &nbsp;clear interest to build a Bhikkhuni sangha, and no&nbsp; reluctance, as is &nbsp;in the general thinking. Buddha charactering himself &nbsp;&nbsp;\u2018forward looking\u2019 in this context should also dispel the myth that his hands were pushed by Ananda. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If male ordination&nbsp; was now a grown up plant, it began with&nbsp; a single seed, namely,&nbsp; Konda\u00f1\u00f1a, the first to gain insight to the Buddha\u2019s teachings. Likewise can the Buddha\u2019s proactive offer to Mahpajapati Gotami&nbsp; be seen &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;as the&nbsp; first single seed towards &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;female ordination.&nbsp; <s>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/s>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Disallowing &nbsp;&nbsp;a collective &nbsp;ordination up until the right time would, of course,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; have no bearing &nbsp;on Mahapajapati Gotami &nbsp;herself, already &nbsp;on the Path.&nbsp; There could have been no better conditions than asking her to wear &nbsp;ochre &nbsp;robes with hair shaven, but implicitly suggesting that&nbsp; a room in the palace be her &nbsp;Empty House, in a self-isolation.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A parallel &nbsp;apple to&nbsp; apple comparison then would be&nbsp;&nbsp; <em>early<\/em> female initiation to <em>early<\/em> &nbsp;male initiation, while apples to oranges would be <em>early female<\/em> initiation to&nbsp;&nbsp; <em>late male<\/em> initiation.&nbsp; In conclusion, we can say that just as in relation to male ordination in the earliest stages, entailing no ritual,&nbsp; Mahapajapati was indeed ordained at the very first Entreaty. The Buddha can also be said to be <strong><em>confirming <\/em><\/strong>in &nbsp;&nbsp;his noble silence that &nbsp;women in general can attain to the fourth recluseship, keeping the door ajar for a wider B<strong>hikkuni ordination.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>While the last line as in the dialogue does not occur in the Pali version, nor is there mention of the Buddha spending the vassana, &nbsp;showing it to occur the very first time the Buddha visits father Suddhodana following his Enlightenment. So while the Pali version is clearly the earliest written version, on this issue, there seems to be some confusion. But our analysis should show that there&nbsp; is no question as to the authenticity of the Chinese and Sanskrit versions, later as they are. <strong><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ven. Bhikkhu Mihita&nbsp; is the former Prof. Suwanda H. J. Sugunasiri, who introduced Theravada Buddhism&nbsp; to Cuba, also getting ordained in Havana by way of inspiring Cubans.&nbsp; Pioneer activist and spokesperson in Canadian Buddhism&nbsp; beginning in the 1980\u2019s, he is Founder of Nalanda College of Buddhist Studies, Toronto, &nbsp;and Founder, Canadian Journal of Buddhist Studies, Toronto, &nbsp;his latest initiative being &nbsp;the Buddhist Literary Festival Canada.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Ven. Bhikkhu Mihita, PhD (writing from Canada)\u00a0 The issue of the ordination of Mahapajapati Gotami, step-mother nursing mom of Prince Siddhartha, later Buddha, continues to be controversial. The general understanding, as encouraged in the Pali version, &nbsp;is that she was denied &nbsp;ordination, not only once but twice, and was finally given &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;at Encounter 5, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"","sticky":true,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-134086","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-buddhism","category-forum"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/134086","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=134086"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/134086\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=134086"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=134086"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lankaweb.com\/news\/items\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=134086"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}