16 Responses to “HISTORY, HARPING AND MUSLIMS-Third Response to Shenali Waduge”

1. Sunil Vijayapala Says:
   March 19th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

   hak – a good insight into relations but shenali or anyone of us do not deny the peaceful co-existence of minorities with sinha+hela buddhist in heladeepa for thousands of years but when a buddhist pageant came under attack, buddhists reacted – well that was the legitimate right of all buddhist sinha+hela people. we did protect buddhism in the past and we will in the future.
   when 13 army men were shot by a minority group, claiming there was undue harassment, well we reacted and faced severe consequences. if a minority does some irresponsible thing in pakistan or saudi arabia what would you expect the islam/muslim majority would do? well it’s anyone’s guess.

   shenali like bbs is defending buddhism and sinhala people as we can no longer depend on these corrupt vote seeking nincompoops to protect us. shenali and bbs are not on the offensive, but purely defensive.

   building of all religious sites should be banned in heladeepa – why? because mosques appear like mushrooms all over the country – propagation of islam by hook or by crook.

   the newlyweds should be restricted to two children per family. why? muslims are populating heladeepa like rats, its apparent in colombo, it’s a subtle change which has come about in recent years.

   the gonibilla dress should be banned in heladeepa . why? because it’s the most annoying dress in the world and further, for security reasons.

   halaal certification – well it’s the logo which has been taken off according to latest reports not the certification, which is depressing news – well we don’t need this in heladeepa. why? anyone who wants to buy some disputed consumer item in the market can find out from the manufacturer and from the ingredient list. this certification is a money spinner.

   sharia law – just because its accepted by others it has no justification to be in our society. why? it’s redundant.

   we live in a complex world now – so many new theories, especially from the west like human rights etc. have emerged and have been in the limelight. the most important of them all is human responsibility which does come naturally and common sense rather than being imposed on society through legal means.

   hak i do respect your views though, it is your right. if we were all on the same plane, of the same religion, of the same language, this world would have been an utter bore to live. variety is best with least conflicts. well where your forefathers came from the main religion is islam but do we see peace in that region?

2. sriyanik Says:
   March 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

   Karim you are again trying to justify the wrong doing of the Muslims and cover up. Let me explain as best as I can and hoping you will be able and have the guts to accept the truth and put things right. I live in Australia and when I visited Sri Lanka in 2011 March I noticed the Halal logo on McDonald Board outside and inside and no other information about Halal. I asked the people work there and also the Manager but none of them was aware of what that was. Then I explained what it was and they were shocked. I did this at Arpico meat stall and Food city who were selling halal food and utensils. None of the workers knew what it was. I asked the Sinhalese people visiting these places and no one had any idea what it was. Very few knew that Halal was as a Muslim meat. Now this is cheating and I don’t believe Koran teaches to cheat others like that. The other important thing is that these businesses have abused the basic human right that is “Choice” by hiding the truth. If Muslims have publicised and explained this and given the choice to people of Sri Lanka to make the decision to choose what they want to spend their hard earned money this problem wold have not arised. I know for a fact that in Islam according to Hadith and Koran Muslims or the followers of the Islam are not to questioned what it says and if they do they become the enemy of Islam. But Buddhism gives the people the right to choose and not to believe anything anyone says until you check it out for the truth and if it is what you want to improve your life. The main weakness of Buddhists is tolerance of these cheats. Examples are many and that is what happened to Buddhist countries and by force converted to Muslims countries, as history shows they were never given the choice but forced and threatened by the Muslim invaders. That is how these murderers killed over 5000 Buddhist monks in India’s Nanda University. So Karim tell your people that current day and age people are different and that Sinhalese have fought more powerful nations in the history to protect our motherland Sri Lanka, Sinhalese and Buddhism. Please, asked everyone to live in peace and harmony and not to make the religion to create problems among the Sri Lankans. We are all Sri Lankans and should have the choice to eat, drink, use and follow what ever religion we want. Karim before you talk go to Bibile Road Gampola and see what Muslim’s have illegally built a Mosque over the public road in the name of Allah. How long can we tolerate these injustices by the Muslims? It has to be stopped now before it is too late and dangerous.

3. Lorenzo Says:
   March 19th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

   “S.W.R.D Bandaranaike had said ‘the Ceylon Moors have been in Ceylon as long as we the Sinhalese have been here”

   S.W.R.D Bandaranaike was a POLITICIAN not a HISTORIAN not Allah (PBUH)!!

   If you trust everything SL politicians say you are a LOOF.

   S.W.R.D Bandaranaike said BETTER things.

   e.g. Sinhala ONLY in 24 hours (Well said S.W.R.D Bandaranaike!!)

4. Lorenzo Says:
   March 19th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

   “The general impressions conveyed to the public by Shenali Waduge is that Muslims were lazy and good for nothing fellows and so the generous Sinhala kings gave them lands and privileges to ‘civilise’ them or help them escape the Portuguese persecution.”

   She NEVER said that.

   Don’t introduce words.

   Muslims came to SL in the 5th 9/11 plane!!

   2 – struck WTC buildings
   1 – hit the pentagon
   1 – fell short of reaching the white house (now black house)
   1 – went to SL like Vijaya came to SL!!

5. Fazara Says:
   March 20th, 2013 at 11:08 am

   “Sinhala only in 24 hrs” and the modayas paid in installments for 30 odd years!

6. Lorenzo Says:
   March 20th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

   “Sinhala only in 24 hrs” and the modayas paid in installments for 30 odd years!

   e.g. Akkaraipattu 1983, Kathankundy 1990, Assroff 2001, Halal gone 2013 !!!!

   There’s the modaya’s 30 years of pay. More to pay after modayas 9/11.

7. Fazara Says:
   March 20th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

   You are a REAL modaya! Halaal gone? sez who? You , I, BBS,JHU,and all the extremist groups will go, But Halaal ? not for another m,ill,ion decades! Yes , more to pay…..much,much,much more! May God in his infinite knowledge have mercy on you!

8. Fazara Says:
   March 20th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

   Sorry,Lo, You remember only our part of the payment. Just think the installments your people paid. Extremely sorry to have remind us of a painful past.

9. Nalliah Thayabharan Says:
   March 22nd, 2013 at 6:14 am

   Buddhists are very tolerant people and yet Wahhabis push them too far. Wherever Wahhabis go, they bring violence and death with them.
   Muslims, Christians have been fighting each other and caused more deaths and damage than all wars put together.
   If you read “God is not Great; how religion poisons Everything” by Christopher Hitchens you will understand the inherent dangers of religions including Islam and Wahhabism.

10. Nalliah Thayabharan Says:
    March 22nd, 2013 at 6:22 am

    Hello Fazara!
    Warlord Muḥammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh created Islam to grab power from the other religions in the Middle East at the time. Before turned to be a prophet for fun and profit, Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh – the merchant traveled quite widely and met Jews, Christians and Greeks, whose ideas emerged later in the inspiration he claimed to receive from Allah. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh was charismatic and intelligent. Idiots don’t build empires, but they sometimes run empires, like Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus and George W Bush, but they never build empires. Founding an empire requires talent, intelligence, application, often charisma and ruthlessness. No halfwit or ignoramus has ever founded a civilization or started an empire.

    It is not possible for a religion to arise which does evil and nothing more. Nobody would join it or bring their children up in it. Islam offered some improvements over the previous situation in pagan Arabia. The status of women improved, or so Muslims have claimed, they were no longer treated like field slaves to be whipped mercilessly, they rose in status to that of house slaves, to be patronized and whipped mercifully.

    Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh also swept away much of the old order’s rigid structures of class, he had some tendencies which you could almost describe as egalitarian. Not democratic socialist of course, let’s not get carried away, but he did institute a taxation system which worked to alleviate absolute poverty. So, when you compare Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh to tyrants he stands alongside those tyrants who while conquering a lot of people, slaughtering his enemies, selling their children and raping their women did manage to do a few things to add to the positive side of the ledger. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh was a warlord, pure and simple. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh roused a disorganized group of nomadic tribes into a ruthless, fearless army. During his lifetime, Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh conquered the Arabia and his followers eventually extended those conquests from Spain to India. By all rights, Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh should take his place in history among of Alexander the Great, Genghis Kahn, and Tamerlane the Great as early history’s great military leaders. But when you compare him to great spiritual leaders like Confucius, Laozi or Gautama Buddha, well, Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh looks like a ruthless tyrant.

    The claim that the status of women improved under Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh is disputed by many who say that the status of women went down under Islam. Women lost the right to own and control property. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh’s first wife, Khadijah, who was a wealthy widow and trader in her own right employed Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh before marrying him. Perhaps 25 years of being the husband of one older wife who was wealthy and powerful in her own right contributed to Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh’s rather extreme treatment of women.

    Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh was a camel-mounted pirate, a warlord, a slave trader and the murderer of defenseless prisoners. During his ten years in Medina, Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh personally led 27 military attacks. Prior to his death, Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh conquered most of the Arabian peninsula. According to the Quranic verses written in Medina verses, Allah accepts converts who do not believe in him inwardly, but will kneel to him outwardly under threat of death. Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh did not have this view of Allah until he became a warlord and used force to compel people to accept his rule. In Mecca, Muhammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh had one wife. During his last 10 years of his life at Medina, Muhammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh married 12 more women. A warlord does not tolerate those who question his decrees. Similarly, Muslims are warned by their teachers that asking too many questions about why Allah commands something is a sign of impiety. The corruption of Muslim officialdom in many countiries seems to follow the pattern set by Mohammed ibn ʿAbd Allāh when he was a corrupt warlord.

    Muḥammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh did not invent monotheism. The Pharaoh Akhenaten in Egypt’s 18th dynasty had put a single sun deity at the centre of worship 2,000 years before Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh. Monotheism makes totalitarianism and intolerance much easier. Monotheism is responsible for more human suffering than any idea ever thought up by humans, with the possible exception of the idea that faith is a virtue, but we can’t blame Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh. Whatever his myriad faults are originality of thought is not one of them.

    Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh did not initiate slavery. Slavery had been universal across Africa, Asia and Europe for several thousands of years. Slavery was considered to be totally normal. We can’t blame Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh for inventing slavery. But Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh thoroughly endorsed slavery and engaged in the trading, keeping and taking of slaves himself. Nobody wants to be enslaved and making, keeping and trading of slaves is totally abhorrent under any circumstances. Slavery is wrong period.

    Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh did not invent the barbaric and primitive practice of marrying very young girls. Joseph was a 90 years old man at the time of marriage with the Mary – Mother of Jesus od Nazreth. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh married Aisha at the age of 6, he watched over her until the age of 9 when he took her into his household as his wife, with all that this normally entails. Aisha was accused of being unfaithful to Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh declared that Aisha was innocent after a convenient divine revelation and decreed that from then on all accusations of adultery which includes rape require 4 reliable men as witnesses. Even today Muslim women are being thrown into prison or even stoned to death in places where sharia law is applied for the sin of being raped without enough 4 reliable men as witnesses.

    The common claim that Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh was a pedophile is unfair. If this had been the case Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh could have had a lot more children in his tent. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh’s first marriage was to an older widow Khadijah, which lasted 25 years during which time he had no other wife. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh had something in the order of 16 wives and most of these were widows and older women. The statistics on the safety of childbirth among the under 14 give strong support to the idea that marriage at the first hint of puberty is an extremely bad example for any potential role-model to set. This bad example is blighting the lives of millions of girls and is directly responsible for many cases of miscarriage and horrific damage to young girls. Many women have a lifetime of incontinence and infertility because they followed the example of Islam’s “perfect man” Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh.

    Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh did not invent the ritual sacrifice of animals. The Jews had done it for thousands of years. Animal sacrifice was also done by many other civilizations including the Greeks.
    Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh did not introduce animal sacrifice to Arabia as his tribe and many others had been sacrificing to their Pagan gods for centuries and the younger Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh himself had both sacrificed to pagan gods and eaten the meat of that sacrifice.

    Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh took for granted that his followers would be having sex with the wives of the pagan warriors that they captured in the battles and the wives of the Jewish tribes that they had killed. Qur’an says that a Muslim may marry up to 4 wives and have sex with the captives that his right hand possesses, which refers to slave women captured in battle.

    Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh did not invent the strange barbarous practice of circumcision. Jews copied male circumcision from the Egyptians. Circumcision was carried out across large parts of Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Even today the butchery of the genitals of young girls is widespread across Africa, practiced by Muslims, practitioners of African traditional religions and Christians. Female Genital Mutilation is very common in Egypt and Ethiopia among Christians, and it is not right to blame this on Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh.

11. Nalliah Thayabharan Says:
    March 22nd, 2013 at 6:26 am

    Please watch this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J6bBeyaRjac

12. Nalliah Thayabharan Says:
    March 22nd, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Fazara ! You are talking about Sinhala as the official language.
    It was S.W.R.D Bandaranaike who opened the doors for low caste Tamil speaking Sri Lankans to attend schools & temples – places that were taboo to them by their own Tamil speaking brethren.
    The Social Disabilities Act # 21 was passed in the parliament in 1957 giving lower castes of Tamil speaking Sri Lankans the right to attend schools & temples as the part of S.W.R.D Bandaranaike’s plan was to penetrate into the “low caste” votes of Tamil speaking Sri Lankans.

    No sooner Vellalar realized the dangers of SLFP led by S.W.R.D Bandaranaike courting the low caste Tamil speaking Sri Lankans, Vellalar devised their response. It was to create the best division possible. A rift between the Tamil speaking Sri Lankans and Sinhala speaking Sri Lankans which would strike better success than low caste-Vellalar divisions among Tamil speaking Sri Lankans. It is important to note that the satyagrahas, the tarring of Sinhala letter “SRI” on vehicle licence plates launched by the Veluppilai Chelvanayagam led Federal Party and G.G Ponnampalam led Tamil Congress – both Vellala high class political parties happened a year after making Sinhala the official language. Why did Federal Party and Tamil Congress not cry foul over the Sinhala Only Act in 1956 but oppose the Social Disabilities Act on 1957 with such venom? It is because Tamil speaking Sri Lankans wanted to deprive their own.

13. Fazara Says:
    March 22nd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    NT, I don’t recollect saying Sinhala as the official language, But I did refer to “Sinhala only in 24 hrs”, which was the root cause of the 30 year curse, which we are still faced with.Thank You for educating me on SWRD’s openning of doors for the “Low Caste” tamils to attend schools and specially places of religious worship. That was a really great thing he did. I just cannot imagine how many very useful citizens were forged. Really!. Anyway,SWRD,as all politicians , did it for his own benefit.

    Instead of Sinhala only, He should have made sinhala the official language, and either English or Tamil the 2nd language.

    Let me “Think” how to reply to the statements youv’e made about my beloved Prophet, On Whom Be Peace!

14. Nalliah Thayabharan Says:
    March 22nd, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Fazara!
    Hindi is the official language of the Indian Union (although it also recognises 15 or 16 other regional languages as official). Still, it is the native language of only about a third of all Indians. Those who don’t grow up speaking Hindi must learn it at school. Very little Hindi is spoken in the south of India, where the dominant languages are completely unrelated to those of the north.
    Urdu is the official language of Pakistan. It is also the official language of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir and one of the two official languages of the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh.
    Like Hindi, Urdu is not the native language of most Pakistanis. For only about 10% of Pakistanis, primarily those living in Karachi and other cities of the Sindh province, speak it as their mother tongue. The remaining Pakistanis grow up speaking Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluchi, Pashtu, Kashmiri or other languages and must learn Urdu at school. In fact, India has about ten times the number of native speakers of Urdu as Pakistan.
    But this situation is changing because the Pakistani state has so thoroughly suffused the country with Urdu. Many of today’s young Pakistanis for whose parents Urdu is not the mother tongue, have grown up speaking Urdu as though it was.
    Similarly a majority of Sri Lankan kids with Tamil speaking parents are now living in traditionally Sinhala speaking areas and growing up speaking Sinhala as well. Language will not become a subject of racist division in few years if all the Sri Lankan children learn Sinhala and Tamil.
    උගන්නැ සිය බස මත් වැන්නැ එහි රසයෙන්
    දකින්නෙහි මහඟු බව කියා දෙන්නැ අනුනටත්
    අකුරට දැන් වන්නැ දාස අකුරු ෙõ යෑ ඔබට දාස
    ඉටු වෙයි ඔබ හැම අදාස පැමිණෙයි සැප දාස දාස
    Under the British Empire, English was the language of rule in our country. Until the passage of the Free Education Bill in 1944, education in the English language was the preserve of the subaltern elite and the ordinary people had little knowledge of it. A disproportionate number of English-language schools were located in the mostly Tamil-speaking north. Thus people from the North held a higher percentage of coveted civil service jobs, which required English fluency, than their share of the island’s population.
    After their election to the State Council in 1936, the Lanka Sama Samaja Party (LSSP) members N. M. Perera and Philip Gunawardena demanded the replacement of English as the official language by Sinhala and Tamil. In November 1936, a motion that “in the Municipal and Police Courts of the Island the proceedings should be in the vernacular” and that “entries in police stations should be recorded in the language in which they are originally stated” were passed by the State Council and referred to the Legal Secretary.
    In 1944, J. R. Jayawardene moved a motion in the State Council that Sinhala should replace English as the official language.
    However, nothing was done about these matters and English continued to be the language of rule until 1956. In the 1956 parliamentary elections, the SLFP campaigned on largely nationalist policies, and made the one of their key election promises. The result was electoral victory for the SLFP, and the Official Language Act No. 33 was quickly enacted after the election. The bill was passed with the SLFP and the UNP supporting it,
    On September 03, 1958 the Tamil Language (Special Provisions) Act – which provided for the use of the Tamil language as a medium of instruction, as a medium of examination for admission to the Public Service, for use in state correspondence and for administrative purposes in the Northern and Eastern provinces – was passed.
    According to Chapter IV of the 1978 Constitution of Sri Lanka, the Sinhala and Tamil languages are both official and national languages of the country. This constitution was amended in 1987.
    It has been the proud privilege of the Sri Lankans to live in harmony with one another. That has been the basis of Sri Lanka’s culture from the days of Asoka, 2300 years ago. This has been repeatedly declared and practiced. Let us endeavour to rebuild the brotherhood that once existed between the Sinhala and Tamil speaking Sri Lankans. It is the only way forward to usher in peace and prosperity once more to this beautiful country of ours that has been torn apart by war and strife.

15. Nalliah Thayabharan Says:
    March 22nd, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Religions will remain entrenched in the human consciousness as long as people cannot overcome their primitive fears, particularly that of their own mortality. The prohibition on eating pigs in Judaism, also adopted by Islam.This proscription is not just Biblical or dietary. The prohibition against pork found in Semitic religions may be based in the proscription of human sacrifice, extended to pigs because of the similarities in appearance and flavor between pork and human flesh.
    Some religions can be hostile to treating diseases. Many Muslims saw the polio vaccine as a conspiracy, and thus allowed polio to spread.The Catholic Church’s response to the spread of HIV in Africa, telling people that condoms are ineffective, which contributes to the death toll. Some in both the Catholic and the Muslim communities believe irrationally that HIV and HPV are punishment for sexual sin—particularly homosexuality.
    The strong faith that could stand up to any form of reason is long gone. Abrahamic religions are used to make people feel like lowly sinners, encouraging low self-esteem, while at the same time leading them to believe that their creator genuinely cares for them, thus inflating their sense of self-importance. This superstition to some extent has a “natural advantage”, being that it was contrived many centuries before the modern age of human reason and scientific understanding, and discusses a few examples as well as so-called miracles.
    Advocates of religion have faith alone to rely on — nothing else — and calls on them to “be brave enough” to admit it.
    There is no evidence for any of the “miraculous” claims about Muhammad, and that the Koran’s origin was not supernatural. The religion was fabricated by Muhammad or his followers and that it was borrowed from other religious texts, and the hadith taken from common maxims and sayings which developed throughout Arabia and Persia at the time. There are similarities between Islam and Christianity, as well as plagiarisms of the Jewish faith.No verifiable miracle has been documented since cameras have become commonplace. Most religions are founded by corrupt, immoral individuals.
    The following five aspects of religions that are “positively immoral”:
    Presenting a false picture of the world to the credulous
    The doctrine of blood sacrifice to appease gods (such as by the Aztecs)
    The doctrine of atonement (harming innocent people to atone for sins)
    The doctrine of eternal reward or eternal punishment
    The imposition of impossible tasks or rules (including unhealthy views of sex)
    Religion has been used to cause harm to children like Genital mutilation, circumcision, and imposition of fear of healthy sexual activities such as masturbation. Adults use religion to terrorize children.
    Several important intellectuals, including Socrates, Albert Einstein, Voltaire, Spinoza, Thomas Paine, Charles Darwin, and Sir Isaac Newton were atheists, agnostics, or pantheists, except for Socrates and Newton.
    Human race no longer needs religion to the extent it has in the past. The time has come for science and reason to take a more prominent role in the life of individuals and larger cultures. De-emphasizing religion will improve the quality of life of individuals, and assist the progress of civilization

16. Lorenzo Says:
    March 22nd, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Fazara,

    You people STILL pay!!

    Remember Kathankundy, Tora Bora, Palestine, Iraq, Chechnya, etc, etc.?

    Just read world news. Iraq – 150 Islam followers blown to pieces by 5 suicide bombings bringing the total in Iraq to 1,203,019 Muslims dead so far since 2003!

    Afghanistan continues! :))

    Happy to remind you DAILY about PAYMENTS paid by your people AROUND the world.

    Did I forget Burma? Read CNN. Have fun.

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